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		<title>River&#8217;s story</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Editor's note: words in this color have been altered to disguise the identity of the subject] I&#8217;m so glad I finally found your site. I know you must hear this over and over, but the relief and sense of identification &#8212; and justification &#8212; that I got just from reading what others have said about [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=aspar.wordpress.com&amp;blog=470361&amp;post=16&amp;subd=aspar&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">I&#8217;m so glad I finally found your site. I know you must hear this over and over, but the relief and sense of identification &#8212; and justification &#8212; that I got just from reading what others have said about being raised by an AS parent is <em>indescribable</em>. </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">My father, before he <span style="color:#000000;">retired, was a <span style="color:#993300;">paleontologist</span>.  He had a PhD in <span style="color:#993300;">Paleontolog</span>y</span>, was a professor in his field and also a scientist for the armed forces.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span></p>
<h2><em><span style="font-size:small;">What kinds of behaviours does your parent show that make you think they have AS?</span></em></h2>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">I don&#8217;t know where to begin, but I can list a number of examples&#8230;</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">He is quite egocentric, self-centered and most often lost in his own world. (Now that he is retired and we kids are out of the house, this is much easier for him to do.) Once as a child I had been badly injured and, since we lived in a rural area, needed to be driven to the hospital. The injury was so severe I was in real danger of bleeding to death. My mother was in the car with me, trying to put pressure on the wound. Meanwhile, we were all waiting on my father, who had been dressed but shirtless at the time I got hurt. I was sitting in the back seat of the car bleeding, and he was looking for a shirt to put on so he wouldn&#8217;t have to go to the hospital without one. Paradoxically, he felt very guilty about the injury later on, because he had unintentionally been part of the cause of it. He apologized profusely, over and over again, and even took me out for ice cream (a real rarity). No matter how much I tried to reassure him, it never seemed to penetrate &#8212; I never <em>once </em>blamed him, because <em>I</em> understood from the moment it happened that it was an accident. I grasped this intuitively at seven years old, but he, in his mid-thirties at the time, just couldn&#8217;t get it, and he really beat himself up about it to the point that I wound up being the adult in the situation and comforting him. I think that since this was a concrete, physical wound, he was able to <em>see </em>it and <em>understand </em>it in a way he could never see any of the other damage he caused, a lot of it more severe &#8212; in an emotional and psychological way.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">He is &#8220;mindblind.&#8221; He has no real &#8220;theory of mind;&#8221; He has no idea how his behavior affects or did affect other people, especially children. I&#8217;m not sure he completely understands that children, or anyone else for that matter, <em>are </em>people, or what it really means for someone to be a person. I know he doesn&#8217;t understand the difference between children and adults, and he seems to have little to no understanding of the emotional needs of others or the correct responses to those needs. He often seems to see my mother as an extension of himself with no independent thought or feeling of her own. That, however, has changed a bit in recent years as my mother has begun to assert just a bit more independence.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">He exhibits distinctive &#8220;weak central coherence&#8221; and &#8220;poor cognitive shifting,&#8221; and put together, they can create a real problem. His attention is mostly hyper-focused on one particular aspect of a situation, to the extent that he doesn&#8217;t realize what else is going on around him and cannot react quickly or appropriately to emergencies. However, I am rather proud of his intellectual achievements. His intense, prolonged concentration is legendary. When he was writing his dissertation, my mother tells me, he would write for 20-24 hours at a time without breaks to eat, sleep, or even go to the bathroom. He is exceptionally intelligent with an IQ well into the genius range, and he was a quite gifted scientist.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">We took many hikes, but they were more like forced marches. On trips, he had an absolute insistence on following a pre-planned route and stopping only at pre-planned destinations. He mapped every route and stop out in advance, and he could not make allowances for the kinds of things children may need on trips, such as unplanned bathroom stops. Everything had to be organized and follow the plan he had structured, or he would degenerate into a tantrum. We could not stop just because something along the way looked interesting, either &#8212; unless it was an intriguing <span style="color:#993300;">paleontological phenomenon</span>, that is. He carried tools for extracting fossils with him everywhere he went, just in case something caught his attention.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">He cannot read facial expressions very well. When I was a kid, he was totally unable to tell how I was feeling &#8212; again, though, he very rarely seemed to <em>care </em>what I was feeling, and he didn&#8217;t express much affection. There&#8217;s a sense in which I&#8217;m not sure he understood that I was feeling or thinking anything at all.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">He cannot differentiate socially between adults and children and thus has no idea what is appropriate and what is not, sexually or otherwise. He was often quite sexually inappropriate with me, and with my sister as well. Actually, he has no idea what appropriate behavior is in general and frequently made embarrassing scenes in restaurants and other public places when I was growing up.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">He could not, as the article on your website pointed out, tell whether or not my behavior was intentional, and he made no allowances for children &#8220;being children,&#8221; since he had no idea what that meant. He expected adult behavior and complete rationality from us at all times, and we were much too young to provide it. Just about every day I spent with him in the house involved at least one violent interrogation over something I had done or failed to do. He would ask me, over and over again, <em>why </em>I had done whatever the offense was &#8212; like forgetting to do something he had told me to do when he&#8217;d told me to do it, or accidentally ruining a possession. Then he would rant, scream, throw things, and hit when he didn&#8217;t get rational answers that would satisfy him but were far beyond our ability to provide. Many times I wasn&#8217;t even certain what I had done to set him off, but he would mock me viciously if I <em>asked </em>what I had done. Clearly he thought I knew exactly what I had done and thought that I had done it, whatever it was, intentionally, just to upset him. I guess that goes back to the point about egocentricity. Sometimes there were no words exchanged at all and he would just suddenly punch or slap me from out of the clear blue and then walk away, leaving me completely confused about what had just happened and why.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">Along the same lines, he has always been unable to stand loud, chaotic environments for very long. He often just exploded when the noise or activity of childhood around him became too much for him. Seriously poor impulse control and a violent temper dominated him, and all of us.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">He has the usual obsessions, collections, etc.. He collects stamps, for example, but not in the &#8220;usual&#8221; way. Though he knows everything about stamps and knows what is good and what isn&#8217;t good collection material, he obsesses on certain particular stamps, often essentially worthless ones, and amasses them (i.e. one particular stamp) by the hundreds. He knows exactly how many he has of each one, where they are, how they&#8217;re arranged, etc.. He has had many other odd collections or obsessions like this over the years. If anyone touches anything of &#8220;his&#8221;, he becomes enraged. My mother is not allowed to clean his &#8220;room,&#8221; i.e. his &#8220;office&#8221; at home, at all.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">&#8220;Endless monologues&#8221;: He would lecture my mother for hours at a time on <span style="color:#993300;">paleontology</span>, and he would do it as if he were talking to a fellow <span style="color:#993300;">paleontologist</span>. He had no clue that she didn&#8217;t understand what he was saying; she had to just humor him. We all had to be careful in doing so, however, because he would get horribly upset if anyone suggested they didn&#8217;t want to hear him talk. He would also get very upset if he asked a question about any of his obsessions, particularly <span style="color:#993300;">fossils</span>, that I couldn&#8217;t answer. Another of his obsessions at one time was reading the entire encyclopedia from A to Z (in alphabetical order, of course), which he did. We were often &#8220;held captive&#8221; by his lectures on any and everything. I discovered quickly not to ask him for help with my homework, because that would inevitably lead to a one-sided lecture that would usually last well over an hour, during which time I was not permitted to leave to finish my homework or go to bed.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">He tells the same stories over and over and over as if they were new each time and often forgetting more and more prominently with each retelling that we were present ourselves when the event took place.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">He has little ability to have a conversation. He cannot comprehend that a conversation is two-way, involving both parties. He talks, sometimes even asking questions, but he then doesn&#8217;t listen and interrupts the other person in the middle of a sentence.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">He is prone to imaginative paranoia. For example, he spent the night at a hotel room once with a colleague and was convinced that the blinking red light from the smoke detector was actually a camera watching him. He also sat me down when I was about nine and told me pointedly never to trust the government.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">He exhibits the physical symptoms of autism such as repetitive rhythmic movements and systematic muscle twitching. For example, he often rocks in his chair, he has a very strange, rhythmic walk that swings from side to side, he swings his head unceasingly from side to side when he &#8220;lectures,&#8221; he rubs his fingers together in the same repetitive pattern, he very embarrassingly (for the others in the room, at least) &#8220;plays with himself&#8221; (for lack of a better word) when he&#8217;s talking, and so on. He seems to be unaware he&#8217;s doing any of it.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">I could go on, but I think this is more than sufficient. <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I apologize for writing so much &#8212; it&#8217;s just such a relief!</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span></p>
<h2><em><span style="font-size:small;">How has the AS person affected you and your family?</span></em></h2>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">Substantially. My NT mother has been the until-recently unrecognized caregiver for someone with special needs. My sister, also NT, has coped with our tumultuous childhood in her own way, and I cannot speak for her. I am in therapy. Now that I understand that he is AS, it puts together many of the pieces that made little sense before, and that helps. However, I still suffer from complex PTSD as a result of my childhood and essentially identify as someone who was emotionally, physically, and sexually abused. The difference now is that I understand how and why it happened to a greater degree.</span></span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> </span></span><em><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">What do you hope will be the benefit to you of joining our support group? </span></span></em><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">Hopefully I will get validation, coping strategies, and just a place to correspond with others who have been through it all too and understand. I will probably be pretty quiet at first, but after a bit I will get more comfortable. I would also, of course, like to help others if I can. <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </span></span></p>
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		<title>Worried about grandchild</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a single divorced woman age 58. I have been dating a gentleman for 5 years who has a daughter that I suspect has AS but has not been diagnosed. She is married to a nice guy and they have a 4 year old daughter that is like my granddaughter. I am very concerned [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=aspar.wordpress.com&amp;blog=470361&amp;post=30&amp;subd=aspar&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font size="2" face="Arial">I am a single divorced woman age 58. I have been dating a gentleman for 5 years who has a daughter that I suspect has AS but has not been diagnosed. She is married to a nice guy and they have a 4 year old daughter that is like my granddaughter. I am very concerned for the child. At this point she actually growls at her mother when she approaches her when she is playing. </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">The mother is a technician and does a very good job. And never wants to take a day off from work which is probably best for the child. She does not have social skills. She has no friends. She repeats the same stories over and over again I think because she likes to hear and relive them. They are either about happy times in her life or great sorrows in her life. She is only 30 yrs old. She has no empathy for the child. She wants her to be perfectly dressed and behaved at all times but has no skills and does not know how to teach her things. She wants her to be like a pet or doll. I have never seen her actually play with the child. She also hoards things and keeps them in the child’s room and expects her not to play with them but is not able to discipline her enough to keep her from it. Of course the whole house is full of stuff. The mother is sometimes very violent to the child not intentionally just because she is an idiot and does not realize that she is hurting her. </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">I could go on and on about the mistreatment of the child as you know but what I need to know is how can I help the child? </font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">I try to keep her at my house at least every other Saturday night but I am old and have to work everyday to support myself. The grandfather sees the problem but doesn’t know what to do about it. I have not mentioned that I think his daughter is Autistic but she shows all the symptoms. And he realizes she does not behave normally. I can’t even imagine how she treats the child when no one is around. The father is not much help because he is a good guy but a little weird also. I did get him on my side and get the mother to quit giving the child enemas at the drop of a hat when she was having trouble going to the bathroom because of a lack of good nutrition. The child was even threatened with enemas for  any little thing she did wrong. I pitched a good old fit about that and I think I took care of it. The child is very smart and she talks to me. Of course she is not potty trained. But maybe this summer she will decide to train herself. </font></p>
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<strong>Help me help the child. </strong><br />
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		<description><![CDATA[I am one of three (neurotypical) adult children raised by an autistic parent. Although he has not been formally diagnosed, there is strong evidence to support that my father is mildly autistic. He is an isolated individual who rarely displays any type of outward affection. A car ride to the doctor&#8217;s office for a deep [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=aspar.wordpress.com&amp;blog=470361&amp;post=29&amp;subd=aspar&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of three (neurotypical) adult children raised by an<br />
autistic parent. Although he has not been formally diagnosed, there is<br />
strong evidence to support that my father is mildly autistic. He is an<br />
isolated individual who rarely displays any type of outward affection. A car<br />
ride to the doctor&#8217;s office for a deep cut or a broken arm would be the<br />
extent of his compassion towards us. Since my mother worked nights, dividing<br />
her time between her three children was difficult. In desperation to be<br />
noticed, we would often resort to getting negative attention from her as<br />
well as our father. It was the only attention my father would give us and my<br />
mother couldn&#8217;t ignore.</p>
<p>           In addition to my father&#8217;s aversion to social situations, he<br />
exhibits external habits associated with autism. He is an interminable<br />
pacer. It is extremely rare to see him at the dinner table or even seated<br />
while watching television. While he paces, he rubs and claps his hands<br />
together in front of his face while uttering low grunts. He is almost<br />
completely unaware of this habit and will do this under the scrutinizing eye<br />
of the general public. The intensity of his current mood seems to trigger<br />
the frequency of his rubbing and clapping. Severe anger causes him to shout<br />
and his rubbing and clapping transforms into rapidly flailing arms above his<br />
head, not stopping until well after the shouting ceases.</p>
<p>His unusual obsessions stretch farther than pacing. He is a reclusive<br />
encyclopedia of knowledge for World War II facts. He can watch the same<br />
documentary on General Erwin Rommel&#8217;s battle strategies against British<br />
occupied South Africa ad nauseam. Only on a few occasions would he share<br />
some of his information. His infrequent war speeches were spotted with dry<br />
coughs (no medical correlation) then he would trail off and pace in another<br />
room.</p>
<p>             My father also has a habit that is uncharacteristic of<br />
autistics. He seems to have somewhat of an imagination. He enjoys playing<br />
with toys. He used to set up my younger brother&#8217;s figurines and have pretend<br />
battles for hours at a time. While playing, he would often pause to clap and<br />
rub his hands together. He would never play toys with us though. This was<br />
one of the many activities he preferred to do alone.</p>
<p>            My mother never made excuses or attempted to &#8220;cover up&#8221; my<br />
father&#8217;s eccentricities. She would apologize to us for not having a father<br />
that was more &#8220;involved&#8221; in our lives. Divorce wasn&#8217;t an option because of<br />
their financial situation so we were all forced to live in a tense<br />
household. She knew my father had problems and pleaded with him to get help<br />
or medication, but he refused. He stubbornly concluded that nothing was<br />
wrong with him and he was always right.</p>
<p>I was always embarrassed to have friends and family visit us. Holiday<br />
dinners consisted of everyone trying not to stare as my father inhaled his<br />
food then ran off to the basement to pace and clap for the duration of the<br />
day. In addition to this, my father also thought that demonstrating<br />
infantile behavior was funny. Releasing bodily functions in front of others,<br />
or especially strangers, was hysterical and also the pinnacle of my father&#8217;s<br />
socialization. To contrast the examples my father would set, my mother<br />
exhaustingly attempted to teach us that dad&#8217;s behavior is not normal and we<br />
shouldn&#8217;t model after him.</p>
<p>I spent years researching publications on autistic parents and have hit<br />
continual dead ends. Of my many e-mails to organizations, the Autism Help<br />
Line sent me a link to the ASpar website which was a relief to find. I was<br />
fully aware that high functioning autistics grow up and have families, but<br />
couldn&#8217;t find any publications from people raised by them.</p>
<p>In becoming a full member of ASpar, I hope to find available resources from<br />
people who have gone through this as well as offer my experiences to aid<br />
others. My siblings and I have always felt different and isolated in having<br />
an unconventional father and it would be supportive to hear other<br />
experiences similar to ours. I feel strongly that there should be a<br />
heightened awareness of autistics becoming parents so that acceptance and<br />
understanding can reach those children who have the difficulty of being<br />
raised by autism.</p>
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		<title>Foster mother&#8217;s plea</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our foster daughter has been with us since she was 2 days old and now she is over 2 1/2 years.  Her father has been diagnosed with something in the Pervasive Development Disorder spectrum.  Some feel he has Asperger&#8217;s and some feel he has PDD &#8211; no other symptoms.  He has also been diagnosed as [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=aspar.wordpress.com&amp;blog=470361&amp;post=22&amp;subd=aspar&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our foster daughter has been with us since she was 2 days old and now she is over 2 1/2 years.  Her father has been diagnosed with something in the Pervasive Development Disorder spectrum.  Some feel he has Asperger&#8217;s and some feel he has PDD &#8211; no other symptoms.  He has also been diagnosed as having narcissistic qualities.  Regardless, the focus has been his inability to bond, show emotion towards his daughter, his poor social skills, etc.  He has his daughter every weekend from Saturday morning until Sunday night.  He never misses a visit and does what he is told to do.  He is in his mid-thirties and can not keep a job and still lives at home with his mom. I believe that he loves his daughter in his own way.  However, he seems to think of his own needs rather than hers.  For her first year, he would call me to set up visitation but would never ask how she was.  He was told that this is something that he needs to do so now he does.  Up until about a month ago, he would never greet her or say, &#8221;good-bye&#8221; to her when he would see her.  He was told to do that so now he does.  However, it isn&#8217;t how a parent typically would greet their child after not seeing them all week.  There isn&#8217;t any great emotion, just a &#8220;good morning.&#8221;  He does what he is told to do but doesn&#8217;t seem to feel what he&#8217;s doing.</p>
<p>Currently, the foster care agency is trying to terminate his parental rights.  The basis is his inability to bond.  One issue that is going to come up is his poor social skills.  It is very difficult to understand what he is trying to communicate.  Also, his inability to understand how various things could affect his daughter worry me.  For example, he asked the court to move our foster daughter into another home because he changed his religion and wanted her to go to a foster family who had the same religion (no one specific, just any family who had the same religion so she would be going to complete strangers).  He and his family are happy with how our foster daughter is being raised by us and feels that she is in a good environment.  When he was asked how being moved from the family who has loved and raised her for the last 2 1/2 years would affect her, he had nothing to say.  He felt that she would adjust and that it wouldn&#8217;t be that big of a deal. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that the judge may hear the testimony regarding his inability to communicate, his inability to show that he cares and his poor social skills and say, &#8220;so what.&#8221;  Our next court date is in Feb.  Do you or any of your members have anything to say in response to &#8220;so what?&#8221;  We love her so much and she deserves to be raised by someone who celebrates the wonderful little girl that she is.</p>
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		<title>The Constant Gardener</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My mother is not employed, never was. Her &#8220;eccentric special interest&#8221; is gardening &#8212; her garden is worth 3 times what her house is worth, and she knows the genus of every plant known to mankind. She gardened instead of parenting me and my brother. (My father was alcoholic . . . which didn&#8217;t help [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=aspar.wordpress.com&amp;blog=470361&amp;post=23&amp;subd=aspar&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother is not employed, never was. Her &#8220;eccentric special interest&#8221; is gardening &#8212; her garden is worth 3 times what her house is worth, and she knows the genus of every plant known to mankind. She gardened instead of parenting me and my brother. (My father was alcoholic . . . which didn&#8217;t help the situation.) There are currently over 500 plants in her house. She hoards plants and everything else, including food. There is food in her freezer that has been there since I was in high school (I&#8217;m now 46 year old). She seemed to have no idea, when I was a child, that I was a separate person. If she had an interest, she couldn&#8217;t understand that I might not share it. If I had an interest she didn&#8217;t share, she&#8217;d either ignore it or insist that I didn&#8217;t have it at all (for example, she told me I couldn&#8217;t take dance lessons because SHE was not able to dance). She barely noticed I was alive, much less in trouble or in need of help. I had a severe episode of anorexia as a teenager, but she never noticed as my weight dropped to below 90 pounds. I was sick with this for five years, but she has no recollection of it. When the subject of eating disorders comes up, and the fact that I had one, she&#8217;s astonished. It&#8217;s as if, because it happened to me rather than to her, it didn&#8217;t happen at all. Her conversation is bizarre to say the least. Sometimes she holds forth on gardening, but more often, she engages in a sort of stream of consciousness soliloquy apropos of nothing. If others are holding a normal conversation, she will interject meaningless information into it. Sometimes her interjections are offensive, but if you tell her that you&#8217;re offended she has no idea what she might have said wrong. Often her interjections are hilarious or mystifying. The other day, in the middle of a conversation about local politics, she interrupted with: &#8220;Did you know that you could adopt a manatee? And give it a name?&#8221; She has no friends, other than members of her gardening clubs (she belongs to six) with whom she discusses only plants and gardening. I believe that her manner of relating would be offensive or confusing to anyone who doesn&#8217;t share this interest. When my family visits her (she lives several hours away), there is no food for us (other than the hoarded food, which actually ceased to be food many years ago). If she cooks, there is never enough&#8211;she doesn&#8217;t understand that when there are five people at the table, there needs to be more food than when it&#8217;s only her. I could go on and on. I have years of memories. I have always suspected that my mother was not normal. However, as a young child, how do you explain this to anyone else? How do you even know that you&#8217;re right? In my case, I did attempt to talk to my father about my mother&#8217;s differences but he would always tell me I was wrong or crazy. I guess he had a lot invested in keeping up a good front. But . . . I was astute enough to realize that my mother wasn&#8217;t showing me any love, which meant that something was wrong with someone, and if there was nothing wrong with my mother, that must mean that something was wrong with ME. I&#8217;m no psychologist, but I&#8217;d say it stands to reason that if someone grows up thinking that her mother is unable to show her any love because she&#8217;s too flawed to warrant maternal affection, that person is going to have some &#8220;issues&#8221;. And in fact I&#8217;ve struggled my whole life with the belief that I am too fundamentally flawed to deserve love or even a modicum of attention. I have had years of therapy and have finally learned to be comfortable with myself, but it has been a hard road. I am hopeful that someone in this group will relate to this. It would be so validating not to be alone.</p>
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		<title>An archtypical story</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisa&#8217;s story I believe my father has AS while my mother has aspects of AS as does my older sister. We &#8220;discovered&#8221; AS in the family as a result of all the behavioral problems my nephew was having in primary school, and after a great deal of confusion and testing found that he was diagnosed [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=aspar.wordpress.com&amp;blog=470361&amp;post=28&amp;subd=aspar&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Lisa&#8217;s story</h1>
<p>I believe my father has AS while my mother has aspects of AS as does my older sister.</p>
<p>We &#8220;discovered&#8221; AS in the family as a result of all the behavioral problems my nephew was having in primary school, and after a great deal of confusion and testing found that he was diagnosed with AS. In observing my nephew&#8217;s traits, my younger sister and I realized that there was a lot of AS in the family.</p>
<p>My father is a retired professor of [science subject] and my mother is a retired professor of [social science subject]. My father, apropos of nothing, will launch into long discourses at the dinner table about the history of his science, detailing scientists&#8217; names and dates, which the rest of the family must &#8220;sit through&#8221; in its entirety or he will either fly into a rage or sulk.</p>
<p>My mother acts as if this is perfectly normal. However, she also will recite in excruciating detail, terrible stories about tragedies that happened to people she has known in her life or go into &#8220;professor mode&#8221; about some topic. If we then change the subject, my father will just &#8220;zone out&#8221; or go into a funk until we talk about something that interests him.</p>
<p>I should mention that my parents are both immigrants who are currently 80&#8211;for 40 years, I thought their behavior was due to their immigrant heritage, but reading your website (at which I found myself &#8220;laughing out loud&#8221; in recognition) has convinced me that it really has been AS all these years.</p>
<p>My parents are completely isolated, they have no friends and rarely ever talk about their families in their homeland. For instance, about 8 years ago my mother mentioned that her mother had turned 99. I did not even know that the woman was still alive! However, three months later, I was informed that my grandmother died!!.</p>
<p>My parents have always had very rigid routines for eating, sleeping, going to the store, etc.</p>
<p>They have a tendency in public to rub people the wrong way. They pick fights with waiters about where to sit in a restaurant, they argue with salespeople over tiny discrepancies, and they can be physically pushy.</p>
<p>At the same time, reality and truth are relative concepts&#8211;my parents openly lie about the most trivial things and for years I thought <em>I </em>must have a &#8220;bad memory&#8221; because I couldn&#8217;t seem to keep straight what the current &#8220;reality&#8221; was. It was not until I was dating my husband and he was astonished by one of their minor lies that I realized that they had routinely lied all my life!</p>
<p>In arguments, they must always be right&#8211;if I began by talking about some misunderstanding or slight by them, they would immediately turn the argument against me saying that I was being &#8220;disrespectful&#8221; and should apologise for even bringing anything up. Then they would launch into all the &#8220;bad behavior&#8221; I had ever done over the last ten years (much of it &#8220;made up&#8221; or &#8220;twisted&#8221;) to prove that they deserved an apology instead of me. But they never apologise for anything if they can help it.</p>
<p>My parents never hugged us and barely ever touched us as we were growing up and they rarely played with us&#8211;my father&#8217;s idea of playing with me was to give me addition and subtraction problems to do (at age 5!)!</p>
<p>How has this affected my family? I came across your site after having had another huge fight with my parents (who said some really prejudiced things about people from my husbands ethnic background <em>in front of my husband</em>) during a dinner.</p>
<p>Almost all the holidays, birthdays, and other celebratory events in my family have been marred in one way or another by my parents&#8217; bad behavior. They picked fights with all of us right before our graduations (they did not even go to some of my younger sister&#8217;s); birthdays were either treated matter-of-factly or devolved into fights; Holidays were opportunities to either &#8220;lecture&#8221; or rage or sulk. They refused to come to my bridal shower and the rehearsal dinner for my wedding (embarassing me in front of my soon-to-be in-laws) and threatened not to come to the wedding the week before it took place (to which I just said &#8220;fine&#8221;&#8211;they relented and came when they realized I meant it).</p>
<p>As a result, about 15 years ago, I stopped talking to them for about three years. After a lot of therapy, I have been able to cobble together a &#8220;relationship&#8221; of sorts with them&#8211;though I am not talking to them at the current time. … My older sister tries to spend as little time as possible with my parents when she comes and there have been numerous times when she has visited and left precipitously in a rage.</p>
<p>My sisters are not currently speaking to each other. So AS has had a very detrimental effect on my family.</p>
<p>What do I hope to get our of ASpar? The knowledge that there are other families like mine that have suffered (that I am not alone)&#8211;and the hope that other people can suggest ways of dealing with an ASpar parent. I do think that AS has a strong genetic component.</p>
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		<title>Short-takes on AS mothers</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dianna I have been reading a lot about Asperger&#8217;s and I am convinced that my mother is a &#8216;Strong AS&#8217; case, as it tends to explain her extreme eccentricities, and my HORRIBLE NIGHTMARE of a childhood. I love my mother and I have always sensed that she could not help it, but she neglected her [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=aspar.wordpress.com&amp;blog=470361&amp;post=26&amp;subd=aspar&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>Dianna</h3>
<p>I have been reading a lot about Asperger&#8217;s and I am convinced that my mother is a &#8216;Strong AS&#8217; case, as it tends to explain her extreme eccentricities, and my HORRIBLE NIGHTMARE of a childhood. I love my mother and I have always sensed that she could not help it, but she neglected her children&#8217;s emotional and practical needs, and I was/am more like her parent.</p>
<p>My brother and I lived on the street from an early age, though our mother had an apartment, there was no reason to go home. My mother never had food in the house, never cooked meals, never did laundry. She was unpredictable, and I was afraid of her screaming at me. We were dirty hungry little kids and she didn&#8217;t miss us when we stayed at a friends house for weeks/months at a time. One of the saddest memories I recall is being 7 or 8, no food in the house, and a stack of unused expired food stamps sitting on top of the empty refrigerator.</p>
<p>I really thought my mother didn&#8217;t care if we lived or died. She was/is happiest when talking about her special interests, and they are more important to her than any of our immediate problems/needs. My mother was/is consumed with babbling about literature, poetry, quantum-physics, druidism. She has no interest in anything I have to say, and always changes the subject back to one of the forementioned topics! This is very embarrassing when having dinner with strangers. Although she was college educated, she worked as a dishwasher and barely paid the rent. She threw childish temper tantrums and blamed us, her children, for her problems(?).</p>
<h3>Ann Marie</h3>
<p>monologues, limited interests, no manners, no social graces, demanding<br />
and bossy, 1 or no friends, repetition, hates &#8220;small talk&#8221;, failure to<br />
realize they have any disorder, mumbles to self, bad language/tempers,<br />
etc. I feel that I am an &#8220;expert&#8221; on AS, especially the genetic<br />
component that families either don&#8217;t see or ignore.  Life can be a<br />
nightmare at times, especially when I know that I am the &#8220;NT&#8221; or<br />
&#8220;normal&#8221; one and they make me feel I am crazy or &#8220;need help&#8221;.</p>
<h3>Eve</h3>
<p>My parents &#8220;home&#8221; had very little in it &#8211; no love, bizarre meals (usually just one ingredient, e.g. all eggs, all beans, all dairy, etc),</p>
<p><span style="font-weight:normal;color:windowtext;">Socially, she is extremely pedantic and most new acquaintances excuse themselves after a few minutes.</span></p>
<p>My mother&#8217;s behavior had never fit any psychological profile that I had encountered but I recently met with a psychiatrist and a genetic counselor and they offered the Asperger diagnosis. have felt very let down in the past because others had so little understanding of the harm this type of terrible parenting can inflict.  I have never met any woman who reminds me of my mother and I have never met anyone who has described experiencing the type of bad parenting that I received from my mother.</p>
<h3>Rona</h3>
<p>She didn’t seem to realise you talk differently to children than you do to adults, especially very young children. My friends couldn’t get away fast enough. Once she caught you it was hard to get away from her monologues about filmstar&#8217;s cvs, the plots of romantic movies, told in a meandering monotone.</p>
<h3>Leanne</h3>
<p>. we were never allowed to have visitors to the house and she isolated<br />
herself from her own family so we had little to do with our many<br />
aunts/uncles and cousins</p>
<p>. she was strict,authoritarian, cold, bullying, prone to temper<br />
tantrums, anger outbursts and not only in the home but outside as well</p>
<p>. she always fell out with the neighbours and we had to move about every<br />
two years</p>
<p>. I never remember being kissed or cuddled or shown any affection and<br />
was not allowed to make my won decisions about anything including food<br />
or clothes or friends</p>
<p>. the house was kept obsessively tidy</p>
<p>. at some point she was diagnosed with schizophrenia and given electric<br />
shock therapy and once tried to commit suicide</p>
<p>. my parents marriage eventually broke down and she just threw us out at<br />
16 and 18 without money or any home to go to. The family scattered</p>
<p>. my brother has continued to try and support her periodically but she<br />
is so destrctive to be around he eventually leaves</p>
<p>. she has continued the pattern of falling out with people and<br />
neighbours getting more and more isolated</p>
<p>I think AS has robbed both me and my brother of a proper childhood, made<br />
it difficult for us to have good relationships, stopped has having any<br />
sort of supportive family so left us to fend for ourselves, subjected us<br />
to constant trauma anxiety and a shifting lifestyle, left us with huge<br />
guilt why we could not love or understand our mother, and generally made<br />
life very difficult. Both of us feel utter relief at this discovery and<br />
things are starting to make sense. My dad died reletively early and I<br />
believe the constant stress, my mother pestered him for twenty years<br />
after their divorce, contributed.</p>
<p>I have suffered with a chronic illness brought on I believe by having a<br />
childhood and a marriage with AS and not understanding or having any<br />
help or support.</p>
<p>I hope to understand more about how this has affected me as a person,<br />
and I am desperate to find out more. I would love to talk to others who<br />
have been in a similar situation too. I am hoping to finally make some<br />
sense of my life</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Julie My father has said that he wishes people were more like computers, in that computers make sense and people do not. When I was growing up, he was constantly angry with me, and whenever I displayed normal childlike (i.e. spontaneous) behavior, I was punished, I think because he viewed me as a machine that [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=aspar.wordpress.com&amp;blog=470361&amp;post=25&amp;subd=aspar&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Julie </strong></p>
<p>My father has said that he wishes people were more like computers, in that computers make sense and people do not. When I was growing up, he was constantly angry with me, and whenever I displayed normal childlike (i.e. spontaneous) behavior, I was punished, I think because he viewed me as a machine that was malfunctioning, as he had not asked me to behave in this way and therefore was unable to make sense of my actions. To this day, he claims that I was a very troubled child, as whenever he &#8220;talked&#8221; to me I would begin crying.</p>
<p><strong>Ellen </strong></p>
<p>He toe-walked, paced, had no friends, was completely without affection for his children had no ability to relate to children, had difficulty with his temper, difficulty with changes in his regime, very self-centered. Very bright and verbal, was a prominent neurosurgeon. Had difficulty with empathy or seeing anything from anyone&#8217;s viewpoint but his own. We were terrified of him.</p>
<p><strong>Felicity </strong></p>
<p>He has never been able to show affection, say he loves you or give you a cuddle, when he takes my children out i worry about whether he will remember he has them. He has no sense of anyone else at all, how they feel or how his behaviour can make them feel. He is very focused on his hobbies and persues them with obessive tendencies. I used to think he was very selfish, he just seems unaware of the world around him.</p>
<p><strong>Janet</strong></p>
<p> … his obsessions with a very few subjects, which he turns all conversations back to, to the point it&#8217;s often impossible to hold conversations with him about anything else. &#8211; the difficult insistence on adherence to routine, the inability to understand or manage emotional reciprocity, the general sense of something always just being off somehow in interactions with him.</p>
<p><strong>Bridget</strong></p>
<p>high verbal skills but poor writing, inability to understand other people&#8217;s emotions, dependence on routine, emotional coldness/distance, inability to express or understand normal emotions, difficulty making normal eye contact, incredible disorganization, obsessive &#8220;collecting&#8221; tendencies, obsessive tendencies to follow a certain pursuit or pastime without deviation (and then drop it just as suddenly), and others</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Denial and the NT parent Jan I have a brother who is violent, often beating me when we were growing up, right up until I was 18/19 years old, he is two years older than me. Mum was too busy putting on a &#8220;front&#8221; and dad was oblivious. Cathe I am still recovering from the pain [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=aspar.wordpress.com&amp;blog=470361&amp;post=27&amp;subd=aspar&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<h3>Jan</h3>
<p>I have a brother who is violent, often beating me when we were growing up, right up until I was 18/19 years old, he is two years older than me. Mum was too busy putting on a &#8220;front&#8221; and dad was oblivious.</p>
<h3>Cathe</h3>
<p>I am still recovering from the pain and sense of isolation that having a  parent like that brings &#8211; made worse by my mother&#8217;s insistence until later years that he was wonderful: handsome, intelligent, brilliant, special.  He was all of that, but he was also anxious, depressed,intolerant, controlling, insensitive to the point of cruelty.</p>
<h3>Rona</h3>
<p>She was from a middle class background and he was working class. Her savant skills in languages got her a university degree, even though she couldn’t put 2 and 2 together in real life, and was I now realise intellectually disabled in parts!, (problem solving, sequencing, prioritising. no inductive or deductive logic). Yet she was one of the few women of her generation who actually went to University. He was so impressed with her, and guilty too about never being able to give her a better life. Well, he was simply too tired from labouring all day, then coming home to do all the cooking, cleaning, sewing, under a constant rain of recriminations and accusations. He was a battered husband and couldn’t leave.</p>
<p>And she was beautiful. They were a handsome couple.</p>
<p>Before we went out anywhere, my parents would make me rehearse the elaborate lies we would tell to others about our domestic misery. Keeping up the front was all important.  We were pretty much social pariahs anyway, because my father&#8217;s self-esteem was gutted and he couldnt keep up with successful men of his generation who had wives to nurture their careers. And people couldnt get away from my mother&#8217;s monologues fast enough.</p>
<h3>Alicia</h3>
<p>I begged him to save himself from her constant screaming and blaming but people in his circle didn’t do that kind of thing, divorce was unheard of, so he endured. He was a wonderful man and highly responsible, and afraid she couldn’t survive without him. I guess the odds were high that she might have ended up a bag lady, or permanently drugged and  institutionalised and misdiagnosed perhaps as a schizophrenic, if he hadn&#8217;t. He simply couldnt leave her to that fate. It was easier for him to convince himself that nobody was perfect. His mantra was: &#8220;People fight because they care for each other. People who don&#8217;t fight in their marriages are more of a problem. Your mother is <em>just highly strung</em>.&#8221;</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[My father has never had any friends that I know of. He has a PhD in math from a prestigious university. He tried a career in academia but left after he got into a fight with the chairman of the department over some small point about grading. Of course, the way my father describes it, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=aspar.wordpress.com&amp;blog=470361&amp;post=24&amp;subd=aspar&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father has never had any friends that I know of. He has a PhD in math from a prestigious university. He tried a career in academia but left after he got into a fight with the chairman of the department over some small point about grading. Of course, the way my father describes it, the fate of the universe depended on his sticking to his point of view no matter what. But it always seemed to me kind of silly. Anyway, he then had a succession of different jobs, each one ending in a lawsuit when he got into fights with his bosses. My parents have always been self-righteous about these cases, but to the extent that I was able to understand what was going on, my father always seemed to be ethically in the wrong. For example, he left one job after being given a large sum of money and signing a &#8220;non-compete&#8221; agreement. He then immediately went to work for a competing company and sued his original employer, claiming he was forced to sign an unfair agreement!</p>
<p>He is clearly OCD and perseverent. As I child I used to watch in puzzlement as my father would come in and out of the kitchen four or five times an evening and run his hands over each of the stove dials, checking to make sure they were turned off. Ditto with the lock on the back door. He was incredibly rigid about certain things- for example, we had to line up our shoes exactly in an order specified by him in the cupboard</p>
<p>Some memorable topics of perseverence include: &#8220;Why Actors Are Not Artists,&#8221; &#8220;The Early Days of Computer Operating Systems,&#8221; and &#8220;The Fundamental Theorem Of Algebra.&#8221; Even though he could talk in great length about such things, in actual fact he made little sense. The meanings escaped him, even in technical subjects. He was just stringing together concepts by association, not by meaning. For many years I was so hungry for his attention that I would listen to him and try to bring something meaningful into the conversation. But his reaction to anything different from what he was saying was just to repeat himself in a louder tone of voice. He could get quite angry and even fly into a fit of rage over such things. If I didn&#8217;t want to listen to him he would become like a sulking child. Yet he never changed his behavior in the least.</p>
<p>He would lecture us constantly on such topics as Responsibility or The Way Things Are or How To Behave. It only took the slightest &#8220;infraction&#8221; to get him going. Again, he made no sense. He would rant and rave, literally foaming at the mouth. In this condition, a wrong word or look could result in him suddenly hitting a child. He had no clue how to relate to children (or to adults for that matter). Any show of normal human emotion or desire would often send him into a rage. He became desperate to stamp out the offender and the offense. He used to demand we give him reasons for what we wanted or were doing, but any appeal to our feelings would be answered with, &#8220;Feelings aren&#8217;t reasons. You could say you feel anything. How do I know if its real or not? You have to give me logical reasons for what you want.&#8221; Failure to comply would result in him getting louder and more aggressive and saying the same things over again. Of course we tried to comply and it has taken me 45 years to get to the point of unraveling that mental knot.</p>
<p>My father was also extremely paranoid, always thinking that people were out to screw him in one way or another. He did not know how to manage conflict, even minor ones, like a misunderstanding over a hotel reservation or a mistake in a restaurant bill (which he always obsessively checked). He would either become incredibly aggressive and threatening, or else if he could not intimidate the other person, he would withdraw and later obsess and perseverate endlessly over how wrongly he had been treated.</p>
<p>As a child, his touch was a source of major freak-out to me. It his hard to describe but it gave me the creeps whenever he touched me. In my mother&#8217;s case, her touch was often very mechanical, like I was a piece of luggage, not a child. I didn&#8217;t like her touch but it didn&#8217;t make me feel yucky. But my father&#8217;s touch had the effect of making me cringe. There was some kind of weird energy in it. I really don&#8217;t know how to describe it. I would go out of my way to avoid being touched by him and when I couldn&#8217;t avoid it, the feeling I had was as though I had just walked into a damp, cold morgue with dead bodies lying around. Honestly!</p>
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